Great rant by Norman Spector calling bull$hit on the Facebook dude, the Globe, the Torstar, Layton, Chretien, Martin re the prorogation and "assaults on democracy", on CKNW radio.
I feel your pain. It has got to be so tough to think that Harper has pissed away all chances of increasing his seat count, let alone a majority out of his petty arrogant personality. And this time for good, 'cause Canadians are pissed, in every corner of the country.
I'd be desperately trying to change the channel too, if I were in your shoes. I wouldn't be so transparent about it though. You've enjoyed success after success by keeping the focus away from Harper and his actions. Finally, after four years the media is not playing lapdog and what happens? Immediate plunge in the polls. No wonder you are desperate to try to get the focus as far away from Harper as you can. Change the channel now, fast. Thank goodness crises can be opportunities as well, eh?
And for what? So his MPs could spend a few more days dialing it in from California? An extra few months of vacation that the rest of poor ordinary Canadians aren't entitled to? So that they can scoop up the best seats at the Olympics while the rest of us watch it from our homes on TV?
Really, you ought to be asking yourselves if Harper is worth it. In his 4 years of "governing", what conservative legacy has he left? Is there a single conservative principle or policy he hasn't abandoned?
The anti-prorogation groups have more in common with the values of the Reform Party than do Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party.
Are you suggesting Harper caused the earthquake in Haiti?
Or responsible for the winning bid that gave us the games?
Changing the channel, shit happens. Let's look how our PM handled this crisis compared to the Liberals.
Liberal are forced to Rent a Russian plane, send our troops in combat without a vote in parliament. Spend weeks trying to get their act together while thousands died. (Disgraceful)
Liberals: Pepperspray and detain, stripsearch Canadians to protect a visiting dicator.(APEC)-PM makes a joke about it, are you kidding me?
The media driven publicity agenda by the activist media has failed again. Remember wafers, H1N1, bodybags. Your inept war room does another photo contest without adult supervision. It caught your party leaders out of Canada while our government was at work. (Liberals Do Stupid)
Are they are upset their massages are currently unavailable in Ottawa?
Are these MP cancelling their junkets next week to warmer climates?
How much "Carbon" was wasted for another publicity stunt to have Liberal MP's return to Ottawa for the PPG?
Perogie-gate failed. It is about the numbers. Under 20k for a nationwide protest (lol)
The problem is you like policies more than you like humans.
Instead of blaming Canadians who did not support the latest perogi stunt, the NDP, Bloc, Liberals, professional activists (Gaia worshipers, raging grannies, Unions.
Stop blaming us for real Canadians who witnessed and predicted another EPIC Fail: A Failure To Launch by those PJ wearing FB and NDP activists.
Keep trying to change the channel, CanadianNonsense. But you'll have to try harder because it is not working.
Canadians had enough of Liberals messing around with accountability and democracy, thought there might be something to this Harper. He said all the right things. But there was always something just a little sneaky and untrustworthy about him. Boy, were we right. He's worse than the Liberals.
Is there a single pre-PM promise he made that he has kept? Is there a single Reform or conservative promise/principle/policy that he hasn't abandoned?
And oh, look at that, over 50% of Canadians oppose the Harper holiday. I guess us majority are all "elites" who "don't care". What arrogant pricks run our country. Meet the new boss, worse than the old boss. And throw out $50 million and over 200 jobs just to avoid some accountability while you're at it.
Only 15% think it was a good thing. In fact, I don't think I've seen more than one or two conservatives actually say it was a good thing. Other than the puppets you call "Conservative MPs", of course.
Harper has shown his contempt for democracy over and over and over again. The anti-proroguers have more in common with Preston Manning and the Reform Party movement than Stephen Harper does.
I see how you go out of your way to avoid defending the government, your party. I would too. I agree with you that there is little to defend. Good to see you have some principles.
I remember it was that way with Liberals in 2005. Nothing left to defend. Only thing left was to lash out at the other side.
As for platforms, definitely would like to see more. I'm a little comforted by the fact that Iggy has put out way more policy now than Harper had before the 2006 election.
Besides, hasn't Harper made campaign platforms kind of redundant? He's broken pretty much every policy promise from his 2006 platform. And his arrogance and disregard for Canadians is so big that he almost didn't bother to introduce a platform in 2008 and only released one online a couple of days before the election. If he hadn't been running against such a hapless leader in Dion, he would have been crushed.
In fact, with all the money he had, with such a hapless leader opposing him, with three years of record breaking spending in his favour, with the Liberal low employment rates in his favour, how did Harper do? His vote count actually went down!! Sooooo loved by Canadians.
I wouldn't be caught defending him either. I don't blame you.
Soooo loved by Canadians that he won only 22% of the support of eligible Canadian voters. The lowest level of support for any Prime Minister in our entire history. Go Harpie!
Are you going to offer alternative solutions to the problems Canadians are facing or just more photo-ops for the press?
Seriously if your party is more interested in using props and facebook than doing real work in committees or parliament No problem.( It has worked out really well so far)
The results speak for themselves. Since 2000 the Liberals have lost over 10% of their support. No other political party has lost so much in p.o.p over 100 years.
They are heading to court trying to avoid the repayment of 820k from loans from 2006!
Iffy only added 2,000 contributors(estimate numbers will be out in a few days!), no wonder Rossi bailed on the Party of Twitter.
Look, Nonsense, word to the wise: if you are going to try to bait and switch in order to avoid any focus on the job harper is doing, try to add a dose of reality to it. No one is buying it.
I mean seriously, spewing such nonsense like "No other political party has lost so much in p.o.p over 100 years" or "Iffy only added 2,000 contributors" are so untrue and so easily verifiably untrue that it's sad. You aren't even trying to be plausible now. You are just dialing it in. Maybe you are in California on vacation with the rest of the Conservative caucus?
You want to focus on 30,000 or so Canadians who went out in the cold in 60 cities across the country? I bet you were calling the 9000 anti-coalition supporters grassroots last year, weren't you? Hahahaha. soooo funny. Do 50% of Canadians not count for Conservatives? Only Conservatives count as being grassroots for you duds, I guess.
The Globe and Mail: Media estimates of the crowds at demonstrations in 13 of Canada's biggest cities ranged from about 10,000 to 14,500. Former NDP press secretary Ian Capstick, compiling figures from protesters, journalists and bloggers, estimated that protests in 32 communities, including New York, exceeded 27,000. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/blogolitics/grassroots-fury-008-protest/article1442798/
Talk to Liberals – office holders, party organizers, fundraisers – around the country and you will tap into a malaise that a good pollster could rout out with a single question: “What's happening?” “Nothin',” the vast majority would respond, with a margin of error of plus or minus very little.
“There is no Liberal Party,” says one lifelong card carrier who has sat at cabinet tables.
“It died a long time ago. It's not completely extinct yet, but there's no there there.” In this lifelong Liberal's eyes, the party has been stalled for years. No new energy, no new ideas, no vision of what it might like to do. The singular advantage of proroguing, this Liberal would say, is that it has put an end to the squirming every time the opposition pounces.
“The ‘gotcha' stuff is out of control,” says the Liberal. “They bring in all these nerdy keener kids from campus and it's some kind of game to them. They're turning politics into pro wrestling.” The media concentrates on the top, Ignatieff, and on the Hill, but disenchanted Liberals say there is a story to be told far from the now-silenced sound bites of the Centre Block.
If you refuse to back up your posts with links from non-partisan sites and you will be ignored.
But after a bumpy campaign where his Green Shift was met with confusion and antipathy from many voters, the Liberals were handed a drubbing that could result in the second worst showing ever for the Grits. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081014/Dion_leadership_election2008_081014/20081015?s_name=election2008
unlike Steve V or other liberal bloggers who are afraid of dissent or make personal insults when they can't hide the facts the party they are cheering sucks! I visit their blogs, I have not been a "polite guest" at times as well. So I give some latitude, I also enjoy reading how their emperor has no clothes.
They just don't get it. I have no problem admitting I have different views on some issues with the CPC. I don't look for morality or life lessons from politicians.
The anti-harper crowd can't help themselves in their hatred. They can't accept our democracy and the rules that have put Harper at 24 Sussex. They feel entitled to remain in power and the coalition was an attempt to avoid a mandate from the people.
HEARPS, was unable to refute the financials, the failure since 2000 to turn the ship around.
Nearly a million in defaulted loans, GST overpayment another million (approx.), the rental fee at McDonalds Playland for their next conference etc.
Dion had a high mark of 17k in third qtr in contributors and looks like Iffy was unable to break 20k. (Lets find out in a couple of weeks)
I have said for months Janine Kreiber was a canary in the coal mine.
The pattern of Liberals jumping ship from Denis Coderre to his staff from the inner sanctum remind me of the problems that plagued Dion.
For years many liberal voters have stayed home and stop donating to a gotcha party.
Will Bob Rae sustain the failed leadership of Iffy? He did not support him in Montreal with his delegates and Dion became the leader with 17% of the grassroots.
Iffy has ZERO support as no contest was allowed to make him the democratic elected leader of his party. 150-200 people agreed and appointed him.
Instead of acting responsibly with solutions or ideas to help fellow Canadians they offer publicity stunts with props.
They attacked Catholics by trying to create a scandal at a state funeral. Than Aboriginals with a 10% regarding the bodybags. They were caught and forced to apologize.
Bob Rae was correct they are shameless.
In 2008-Present
It's not my problemm not my budget. It is Harper's recession!
If your were "just visiting" and leaving Canada if he does not win, his statement makes perfect sense.
Until he is elected as PM Iffy feels no personal responsibility or interest in helping deal with this Global recession in Canada.
Like some in the left no adult conversation until five days before the writ is dropped meme is still the "vision" for the party of twitter.
Take the unhappy visitors with a grain of salt. It would be nice if they cared more about this country than their political party returning to power.
CommonSense, I understand your not being Steve V, but yah see it time and again, these Liberal commentors come on all 'Ted/Gayle like', then slowly degrade into name calling, which gets Cons agitated, and before yah know it it is a brawl, wasted energy, lost message.
It's how they operate, infest and infect. Just sayin'
Wilson I agree some of the full-time posters refuse to host their own blog, they refuse any attempt to keep their games in their own backyard. They also refuse to accept any rules of engagement regarding a balanced debate.
I have on occassion been guilty of pointing out the flawed logic, disinformation, distortions of postings on sites. I also have on occassion went too far in responding to personal attacks from some of the angry left.
Wilson for the most part many of them do not over react and censor the comments.
Some prefer to just ignore the truth/facts that make their post look silly.
I will gladly acknowledge a correction or a change of mind if a convincing arguement can be made.
I was unhappy about the auto-bailout but understood 'how politics' work.
To my chagrin it looks like GM is starting to repay those "loans".
I am not sure if we can pick or save the winners with taxpayers dollars vs creating a level playing field for everyone.
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I suspect that these new proposed rule changes are partly designed to make a Coalition government easier to usher in.
Dissolution is next chess move to prevent the coalition threat.
An election will clear this up when the Liberals give up another 10-15 seats to the Bloc, NDP and CPC.
The nominations are comparable to the CPC but the finances and grassroots to win back 40+ ridings needed?
Canadians are too sensible to vote for a dying party.
Excellent! Canadians do not like the idea of a coalition, especially because it would mean the lefties would grab power.
Great rant by Norman Spector calling bull$hit on the Facebook dude, the Globe, the Torstar, Layton, Chretien, Martin re the prorogation and "assaults on democracy", on CKNW radio.
Listen Here
Bring up Mon, Jan 25th @ 10:07 AM
I feel your pain. It has got to be so tough to think that Harper has pissed away all chances of increasing his seat count, let alone a majority out of his petty arrogant personality. And this time for good, 'cause Canadians are pissed, in every corner of the country.
I'd be desperately trying to change the channel too, if I were in your shoes. I wouldn't be so transparent about it though. You've enjoyed success after success by keeping the focus away from Harper and his actions. Finally, after four years the media is not playing lapdog and what happens? Immediate plunge in the polls. No wonder you are desperate to try to get the focus as far away from Harper as you can. Change the channel now, fast. Thank goodness crises can be opportunities as well, eh?
And for what? So his MPs could spend a few more days dialing it in from California? An extra few months of vacation that the rest of poor ordinary Canadians aren't entitled to? So that they can scoop up the best seats at the Olympics while the rest of us watch it from our homes on TV?
Really, you ought to be asking yourselves if Harper is worth it. In his 4 years of "governing", what conservative legacy has he left? Is there a single conservative principle or policy he hasn't abandoned?
The anti-prorogation groups have more in common with the values of the Reform Party than do Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party.
Was Iggy even back in Canada when that game was played, or did he miss that too?
Dear ARPS,
Are you suggesting Harper caused the earthquake in Haiti?
Or responsible for the winning bid that gave us the games?
Changing the channel, shit happens. Let's look how our PM handled this crisis compared to the Liberals.
Liberal are forced to Rent a Russian plane, send our troops in combat without a vote in parliament. Spend weeks trying to get their act together while thousands died. (Disgraceful)
Liberals: Pepperspray and detain, stripsearch Canadians to protect a visiting dicator.(APEC)-PM makes a joke about it, are you kidding me?
The media driven publicity agenda by the activist media has failed again. Remember wafers, H1N1, bodybags. Your inept war room does another photo contest without adult supervision. It caught your party leaders out of Canada while our government was at work. (Liberals Do Stupid)
Are they are upset their massages are currently unavailable in Ottawa?
Are these MP cancelling their junkets next week to warmer climates?
How much "Carbon" was wasted for another publicity stunt to have Liberal MP's return to Ottawa for the PPG?
Perogie-gate failed. It is about the numbers. Under 20k for a nationwide protest (lol)
The problem is you like policies more than you like humans.
Instead of blaming Canadians who did not support the latest perogi stunt, the NDP, Bloc, Liberals, professional activists (Gaia worshipers, raging grannies, Unions.
Stop blaming us for real Canadians who witnessed and predicted another EPIC Fail: A Failure To Launch by those PJ wearing FB and NDP activists.
Keep trying to change the channel, CanadianNonsense. But you'll have to try harder because it is not working.
Canadians had enough of Liberals messing around with accountability and democracy, thought there might be something to this Harper. He said all the right things. But there was always something just a little sneaky and untrustworthy about him. Boy, were we right. He's worse than the Liberals.
Is there a single pre-PM promise he made that he has kept? Is there a single Reform or conservative promise/principle/policy that he hasn't abandoned?
And oh, look at that, over 50% of Canadians oppose the Harper holiday. I guess us majority are all "elites" who "don't care". What arrogant pricks run our country. Meet the new boss, worse than the old boss. And throw out $50 million and over 200 jobs just to avoid some accountability while you're at it.
Only 15% think it was a good thing. In fact, I don't think I've seen more than one or two conservatives actually say it was a good thing. Other than the puppets you call "Conservative MPs", of course.
Harper has shown his contempt for democracy over and over and over again. The anti-proroguers have more in common with Preston Manning and the Reform Party movement than Stephen Harper does.
In 2006 Canadians sent the CPC to govern, than 17 more in 2008. Two months ago in four ridings we send two more CPC and ZERO liberals.
Funny thing, we Canadians!
Besides a bankrupt party that can't pay their debts, what does your party offer?
A policy or a platform? Can you provide the link.
Bait and switch. Bait and switch.
I see how you go out of your way to avoid defending the government, your party. I would too. I agree with you that there is little to defend. Good to see you have some principles.
I remember it was that way with Liberals in 2005. Nothing left to defend. Only thing left was to lash out at the other side.
As for platforms, definitely would like to see more. I'm a little comforted by the fact that Iggy has put out way more policy now than Harper had before the 2006 election.
Besides, hasn't Harper made campaign platforms kind of redundant? He's broken pretty much every policy promise from his 2006 platform. And his arrogance and disregard for Canadians is so big that he almost didn't bother to introduce a platform in 2008 and only released one online a couple of days before the election. If he hadn't been running against such a hapless leader in Dion, he would have been crushed.
In fact, with all the money he had, with such a hapless leader opposing him, with three years of record breaking spending in his favour, with the Liberal low employment rates in his favour, how did Harper do? His vote count actually went down!! Sooooo loved by Canadians.
I wouldn't be caught defending him either. I don't blame you.
Soooo loved by Canadians that he won only 22% of the support of eligible Canadian voters. The lowest level of support for any Prime Minister in our entire history. Go Harpie!
Grassroots Fury? 0.08% Protest
Are you going to offer alternative solutions to the problems Canadians are facing or
just more photo-ops for the press?
Seriously if your party is more interested in using props and facebook than doing real work in committees or parliament No problem.( It has worked out really well so far)
The results speak for themselves. Since 2000 the Liberals have lost over 10% of their support. No other political party has lost so much in p.o.p over 100 years.
They are heading to court trying to avoid the repayment of 820k from loans from 2006!
Iffy only added 2,000 contributors(estimate numbers will be out in a few days!), no wonder Rossi bailed on the Party of Twitter.
Bait and switch. Bait and switch.
Look, Nonsense, word to the wise: if you are going to try to bait and switch in order to avoid any focus on the job harper is doing, try to add a dose of reality to it. No one is buying it.
I mean seriously, spewing such nonsense like "No other political party has lost so much in p.o.p over 100 years" or "Iffy only added 2,000 contributors" are so untrue and so easily verifiably untrue that it's sad. You aren't even trying to be plausible now. You are just dialing it in. Maybe you are in California on vacation with the rest of the Conservative caucus?
You want to focus on 30,000 or so Canadians who went out in the cold in 60 cities across the country? I bet you were calling the 9000 anti-coalition supporters grassroots last year, weren't you? Hahahaha. soooo funny. Do 50% of Canadians not count for Conservatives? Only Conservatives count as being grassroots for you duds, I guess.
Tooooo funny.
No links to refute my numbers?
The Globe and Mail: Media estimates of the crowds at demonstrations in 13 of Canada's biggest cities ranged from about 10,000 to 14,500. Former NDP press secretary Ian Capstick, compiling figures from protesters, journalists and bloggers, estimated that protests in 32 communities, including New York, exceeded 27,000.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/blogolitics/grassroots-fury-008-protest/article1442798/
Talk to Liberals – office holders, party organizers, fundraisers – around the country and you will tap into a malaise that a good pollster could rout out with a single question: “What's happening?” “Nothin',” the vast majority would respond, with a margin of error of plus or minus very little.
“There is no Liberal Party,” says one lifelong card carrier who has sat at cabinet tables.
“It died a long time ago. It's not completely extinct yet, but there's no there there.” In this lifelong Liberal's eyes, the party has been stalled for years. No new energy, no new ideas, no vision of what it might like to do. The singular advantage of proroguing, this Liberal would say, is that it has put an end to the squirming every time the opposition pounces.
“The ‘gotcha' stuff is out of control,” says the Liberal. “They bring in all these nerdy keener kids from campus and it's some kind of game to them. They're turning politics into pro wrestling.” The media concentrates on the top, Ignatieff, and on the Hill, but disenchanted Liberals say there is a story to be told far from the now-silenced sound bites of the Centre Block.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/prorogation/passion-over-prorogation-pales-next-to-political-apathy/article1442490/
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If you refuse to back up your posts with links from non-partisan sites and you will be ignored.
But after a bumpy campaign where his Green Shift was met with confusion and antipathy from many voters, the Liberals were handed a drubbing that could result in the second worst showing ever for the Grits.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081014/Dion_leadership_election2008_081014/20081015?s_name=election2008
You don't own the facts.
Bait and switch. Bait and switch.
All of the past Liberal malaise and poor leadership and debt doesn't change the fact that Harper had fewer Canadians voting for him in 2008 than in 2006 and had the lowest level of support of any Canadian Prime Minister in our history. Sooooo much love for Harper.
You can't make up the facts.
''Look, Nonsense, word to...''
Liberal troll calls the host names.....
vote the creep 'Hes-a-rogue-pro' off the island.
I finally put my finger on what bugs me so much about the sound of Iffy's voice....he is constantly bitching,
seriously, that is all he does.
wilson,
unlike Steve V or other liberal bloggers who are afraid of dissent or make personal insults when they can't hide the facts the party they are cheering sucks! I visit their blogs, I have not been a "polite guest" at times as well. So I give some latitude, I also enjoy reading how their emperor has no clothes.
They just don't get it. I have no problem admitting I have different views on some issues with the CPC. I don't look for morality or life lessons from politicians.
The anti-harper crowd can't help themselves in their hatred. They can't accept our democracy and the rules that have put Harper at 24 Sussex. They feel entitled to remain in power and the coalition was an attempt to avoid a mandate from the people.
HEARPS, was unable to refute the financials, the failure since 2000 to turn the ship around.
Nearly a million in defaulted loans, GST overpayment another million (approx.), the rental fee at McDonalds Playland for their next conference etc.
Dion had a high mark of 17k in third qtr in contributors and looks like Iffy was unable to break 20k. (Lets find out in a couple of weeks)
I have said for months Janine Kreiber was a canary in the coal mine.
The pattern of Liberals jumping ship from Denis Coderre to his staff from the inner sanctum remind me of the problems that plagued Dion.
For years many liberal voters have stayed home and stop donating to a gotcha party.
Will Bob Rae sustain the failed leadership of Iffy? He did not support him in Montreal with his delegates and Dion became the leader with 17% of the grassroots.
Iffy has ZERO support as no contest was allowed to make him the democratic elected leader of his party. 150-200 people agreed and appointed him.
Instead of acting responsibly with solutions or ideas to help fellow Canadians they offer publicity stunts with props.
They attacked Catholics by trying to create a scandal at a state funeral. Than Aboriginals with a 10% regarding the bodybags. They were caught and forced to apologize.
Bob Rae was correct they are shameless.
In 2008-Present
It's not my problemm not my budget. It is Harper's recession!
If your were "just visiting" and leaving Canada if he does not win, his statement makes perfect sense.
Until he is elected as PM Iffy feels no personal responsibility or interest in helping deal with this Global recession in Canada.
Like some in the left no adult conversation until five days before the writ is dropped meme is still the "vision" for the party of twitter.
Take the unhappy visitors with a grain of salt. It would be nice if they cared more about this country than their political party returning to power.
CommonSense, I understand your not being Steve V,
but yah see it time and again,
these Liberal commentors come on all 'Ted/Gayle like',
then slowly degrade into name calling,
which gets Cons agitated,
and before yah know it it is a brawl, wasted energy, lost message.
It's how they operate,
infest and infect.
Just sayin'
Wilson I agree some of the full-time posters refuse to host their own blog, they refuse any attempt to keep their games in their own backyard. They also refuse to accept any rules of engagement regarding a balanced debate.
I have on occassion been guilty of pointing out the flawed logic, disinformation, distortions of postings on sites. I also have on occassion went too far in responding to personal attacks from some of the angry left.
Wilson for the most part many of them do not over react and censor the comments.
Some prefer to just ignore the truth/facts that make their post look silly.
I will gladly acknowledge a correction or a change of mind if a convincing arguement can be made.
I was unhappy about the auto-bailout but understood 'how politics' work.
To my chagrin it looks like GM is starting to repay those "loans".
I am not sure if we can pick or save the winners with taxpayers dollars vs creating a level playing field for everyone.
Thank you for your thoughts.
I have a funny video on my next post.
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